‘Men in Shorts’ Filmstar interview – Ashley Thorpe

Filmstar issue 2Hitting news-stands this week is issue 2 of Film periodical ‘Filmstar‘ – from the creators of ‘Deathray‘ magazine – which this month features an interview between Thom Hutchinson and Carrion film director Ashley Thorpe.

“For Filmstar’s inaugral choice from the huge and expanding universe of short film, we got talking with Ashley Thorpe, the man responsible for the Penny Dreadful shorts produced by Carrion films…’Scayrecrow‘ is ten minutes of horror and scandal on the 18th – century highway. Made through a painstaking combination of still photography, rotoscoping, hand-drawn art and collage, the result is an expressionist nightmare, partly evocative of Hammer and Amicus productions, thick with period detail…” Filmstar

The article primarily focuses on ‘Scayrecrow‘ – its techniques and influences, but also touches upon the director’s childhood fascination with the genre, the animation techniques and hints at future projects. Here is the full interview in unedited form –

•Were you a creepy kid? Did you spend your childhood drawing comics and thinking about all the horror movies you were going to make?

2000ADA creepy kid, no, I was a sweet kid…it all went wrong and I developed into a creepy adult!…ha ha. No, I actually had a great childhood I grew up next to  playing fields so I spent a lot of time out climbing trees, building dens, hitting people with sticks, y’know, all the normal stuff. I read a lot of comics, I especially loved 2000AD, I guess the only thing that I was obsessional about was ‘monsters’ – I spent pretty much all my time drawing them and in between pretending to be chased by them. I also had this weird thing wherein whenever I was playing with my toys or inventing games for my friends to play, I always used to pretend that what we were playing was being seen by someone, almost as if it was being broadcast somewhere. I actually used to make sure that it would ‘end on a cliffhanger’ ha ha. So I actually imagined that when I grew up I would make something similar to the Ray Harryhausen films. It was only a little later that the horror aspect of the monstrous seduced me completely.

•Tell us a bit about your technique in Scayrecrow (and your other films) – it looks like a painstaking process of photography, rotoscoping, hand-drawn art, and collage. Take us through the process.

It’s absolutely that in fact. ‘Scayrecrow’ has a lot more hand-painted elements than ‘Screaming skull’ (which is primarily digital Nazgul - Lord of the Ringsphotography). ‘Scayrecrow’ is first and foremost painted backgrounds with roto-scoped actors matted onto / into them. There are a few sequences wherein that process is reversed ; the first appearance of the scayrecrow, galloping out of the gloom after his death for instance, where the character on horseback is painted over a rotoscoped image of  a tree-lined road which was photographed on the edge of Dartmoor. So it’s a play between those two elements really. It is a very time consuming process, but it was  an illustrated look I was aiming for, partially it was born out of naivety and also I was always a fan of Ralph Bakshi’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ and its rotoscoped sequences -finished or not –   I thought it gave the piece an eerie quality, especially to the Ring Wraiths. Perhaps it’s because rotoscope is between disciplines – it’s real but it’s not, which, bearing in mind my films are all about legends, the play between truth and fantasy,  it seemed quite apt.

•How much of your technique is digital?

In ‘Scayrecrow’ not that much actually, the majority of it (bar the actors) is all hand painted. The individual layers were assembled and manpulated in photoshop and then edited in After effects to give it additional movement. For ‘Screaming Skull’ however it was shot digitally and then manipulated digitally too. The main reason for this being that I wanted it to have a grungy 70’s British horror look. I wanted it to have that wonderful washed out fungal look that films of that era have. I also wanted it to be a slight departure from ‘Scayrecrow’ as tonally the material is quite different, not so playful.

•How much research did you do? Was he based on Turpin, or a legend local to you?

The HighwaymanI’m proud or ashamed to say that I actually did quite a lot of research! I absolutely love the 18thC period so it was a bit of a dream project for me. I had a lot of fun researching the costumes, the coaches etc. I even took the time to shoot sections of the film in and around locales  that appeared in Thorndikes’s ‘Dr Syn’ novels down in Kent. There are also  lot of ‘period in jokes,’ I guess you’d call them, thrown in there – the most obvious example being Rookwood is the name of Ainsworth’s hero in his 19thC novel that made Dick Turpin a house hold name. There are a lot of visual references too, everything from the original Penny dreadfuls to Tim Burton. There’s a lot of Richard Carpenters ‘Dick Turpin’ too. I loved that show when I was a kid. But in terms of the story the single thing that influenced ‘Scayrecrow’ was ‘The Highwayman’ by Alfred Noyes. I absolutely approached ‘Scayrecrow’ from the angle of a gothic romance.

•What’s the best thing that could happen to these films? You’ve had an invitation to submit to Raindance, but it’s tough reaching a wide audience with short films. Is the option to download working out for you?

I’ve been very lucky recently
. These animations are about neglected aspects of English mythology so Ideally I’d like these films to reach a reasonably wide audience. I think they have that crossover thing between English heritage and the horror audience. So far the horror audience, an audience I absolutely consider myself proudly part of, has embraced the films. Chris Alexander at ‘Fangoria’ magazine gave the films a glowing review and now Marla Newborn has pushed for the films to be screened as official selections for the New York City Fangoria Weekend of Horrors. It looks like they might also be shown later in the year in Chicago and L.A.  ‘Scayrecrow’ too was recently shown at the Short films corner at Cannes where it picked up a healthy amount of interest, so I think that perhaps, though short films are notoriously difficult to sell,  I’m gathering interest for a ‘project’ or ‘concept’ even. Hell, perhaps there’s a hunger out there for a British horror revival…

•Is digital download a viable market?

We’ll see after this interview, ha ha! Well, I thought that the penny dreadful’s were ostensibly cheap and accessible so the most obvious modern counterparts are digital downloads and, though the films play great in cinemas, I actually love the idea of people watching and sharing the films on their i-Pods and all that. You can download them for £2.99 each from www.carrionfilms.co.uk. So far the response has been pretty good. We’ve had sales from everywhere from the U.S to Japan. As to whether it’s the way forward for filmmakers…I don’t know. Music is increasingly moving that way, so why not short film?

•Tell us a bit about your next short, The Hairy Hands.

It’s based upon a very famous Dartmoor legend about a haunted stretch of road called the B3212. Drivers upon that particular The Hairy Hands teaserhighway, have been assaulted by a pair of spectral hands that grip the wheel of the car and steer their vehicle from the road. It was a tale that gained popularity in the 1920’s when a Governor from Dartmoor prison died on that stretch whilst taking his daughters to work in his motorbike and sidecar. They survived. he did not. As a consequence the story swept Britain for a brief time and has subsequently become something of a legend on Dartmoor.
It’s another neglected British myth which I’m hoping to expose to a wider audience. It’s about to begin shooting, is being funded by the UK Film council and South west screen. and I’m very happy to say that it’s being produced by Tom Atkinson (’10 pound horror film’).
My angle on this one is that it’s going to be a horror movie that ostensibly takes place in a moving vehicle. It’s hopefully going to be quite Hitchcock, very sixties, with a fantastic John Barry / Bernard Herrmann – esque soundtrack by my wonderful composer Mick Grierson. I’m hoping to deliver by about Halloween this year.


•Many filmmakers make shorts as a stepping stone (both in terms of their technique and their career) on the journey to features. I suspect this isn’t the case with you; these films are so perfectly formed. But do you have feature-length ambitions?

Yeah, absolutely. I never really thought of them as anything other than what they were. I suppose if I distanced myself from them you could see them as being almost ‘animatics’ for a feature project. There were certainly never conceived as such. I like the form of the short, just like I’ve always loved the form of the short story. I think it’s a perfect canvas and also a great training ground. For the time being I aim to continue making Penny dreadful shorts – ‘Spring Heel Jack’ and ‘The Lambton Worm’ being the most significant.

scayrecrow-lost sceneI suppose if the interest came along to develop one of the shorts, then I suppose they could actually be developed in pretty interesting features, and I think that goes for ‘Scayrecrow’ and ‘Screaming skull’.Scayrecrow’ had quite a chunk lopped out of it for time constraints dealing with all sorts of juicy details about Rookwood, his background, crimes and his love for his beau Eleanor, so it could certainly be fleshed out without being stretched thin. As much as I like the idea of developing the shorts to features I’m also a massive fan of the E.C comic thing and the ‘portmanteau’ stlye that had a brief ascendancy in the seventies. Perhaps that’s a way forward. In fact I have a project on the back-burner called ‘Hell-Toran anthology of Dartmoor ghost stories…” Ashley Thorpe

‘Filmstar’ issue 2 is out now and available from all good newsagents – £3.99

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